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BabeTrader changes

Discussion in 'Suggestions, Feedback and New Features' started by HotnessRater, Mar 12, 2019.

  1. HotnessRater

    HotnessRater Administrator Staff Member

    So I had changed BabeTrader so that you could set the sell price. Before that, everything was like an auction forever where the price just went up a certain percent from the last buy price. People complained and wanted to be able to set their own price, resulting in giving people a chance to essentially just price their pictures out of reach of anyone. It deadlocked most of the pictures and made it so you could only really get a picture if you got it new and locked it in.

    This kills the whole spirit I was trying to achieve where people who are playing could work hard and get any picture... and the person they took it from had a chance to get it back.

    I'm looking for options on how we should fix this. Several have been proposed.

    1) We could revert back to no setting prices. If you want a picture, buy it for 10% above the last buyer and its yours. People could steal pictures by making enough cash to steal them. The only way to protect them is to have enough cash to buy it back

    2) We could impose some kind of tax on pictures based on their asking price

    3) We could put a cap on the total asking price... maybe the users net worth or something.

    4) I don't know, you tell me your idea

    Personally, I would just revert everything back to no set prices and make it a free for all. No protection, if you can buy it, its yours. I know this would piss off the hoarders out there but I might be okay with that.

    I'm not going to make any changes without some input so lets have some discussion. Speak up now and argue your case or you might not like the changes.

    Any ideas?
     
  2. ChaoticPanda

    ChaoticPanda New Member

    What if you make it so each player can only hoard so may pictures? Based on your rank you can hoard a number of pictures. The higher your rank the more pictures you can hoard. Of course no one will be able to hoard all of there pictures. And if you drop in rank where you would have to lose a number of hoarded pictures then you'd have to un-hoard down to what your rank allows. This would allow the hoarders to hoard some of the pictures and still allow the game to happen. Plus if you un-hoard a picture you may or may not be able to hoard it again.
     
  3. HotnessRater

    HotnessRater Administrator Staff Member

    We could also allow you to toggle a picture as "Not For Sale" and have a daily maintenance fee charged for them. Maybe 100 points per day for each picture that you want to mark as not for sale. Essentially setting the price to 2,000,000,000 means "Not For Sale" anyway.
     
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  4. Really there are several problems:

    1) all the good pics get locked up, creating a static situation that is no fun for new players

    2) a number of top accounts seem to be inactive, locking up thousands and thousands of pictures forever

    3) the current score system isn’t an accurate representation of a player’s wealth. It doesn’t consider how many pics you have, or what you invested in them. Your score should be the sum of points on hand and the total paid for inventory.
     
    Last edited: Apr 18, 2019
  5. ChaoticPanda

    ChaoticPanda New Member

    I like this idea. It helps with keeping players active and it makes it so your inactivity doesn't hurt other active players.
     
  6. HotnessRater

    HotnessRater Administrator Staff Member

    Completed quests is not a good indicator. 7 of the top 10 people complete the log in quests weekly (even if they don't go to babetrader)
     
  7. HotnessRater

    HotnessRater Administrator Staff Member

    I still like just the standard markup on all pictures. If you lose it daily, you can buy it back for price + 10%. Paid price is always just under current price. It will go back and forth many times but that creates rivalry... and eventually someone gives up. One person gets the picture, the other gets a ton of cash

    Of course to make this work, we would have to give you the ability to clear lost pictures from your list.. the ones you give up on.

    Then when you log in, go to lost pictures. Buy back the ones you care about and clear the ones you give up on.
     
  8. HotnessRater

    HotnessRater Administrator Staff Member

    Well that isn't what the quest says:

    "Visit all 3 sites (must be logged into them)"
     
  9. ChaoticPanda

    ChaoticPanda New Member

    I don't get credit for logging into the sites until I buy a picture either.
     
  10. gtsecond

    gtsecond New Member

    I think a simple cap on value per picture, say, 16000 units, should be introduced. Any system where one can still put 1,000,000 on an item stops trading, so a cap is essential IMHO. In parallel, an inactivity tax, to reduce picture value by, perhaps, 1% per inactive day, would help to encourage the dormant accounts to play actively. A bot guard of some kind would help this process. I would not recommend taxing player points, as this would reduce liquidity in the system.

    At any rate, change is good, as it favours active players who will adapt to whatever is enacted. If designed well it will also derail any bots to reduce abuse of the system.
     
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2019
  11. HotnessRater

    HotnessRater Administrator Staff Member

    Nope, it's highly dependent on how much time I have to put towards it. There is a little tweak I need to do to the rating/match up system and pagination across all pages (except infinite scroll) will be a priority. No estimate on a timeline.

    Yeah I like that too. Agreed

    When I do this I won't be freezing it. I'll leave the prices at what they are and slowly drop them something like 10% a day until until they hit their buying power threshold.
     
  12. HotnessRater

    HotnessRater Administrator Staff Member

    It's pretty simply really.

    If total markup > total worth, Get all pictures with markup higher than system markup and reduce their price to their current price - 10% or to the system markup price whichever is higher.

    And when setting a price their total markup can't exceed their net worth
     
  13. HotnessRater

    HotnessRater Administrator Staff Member

    Yeah, you're reading my mind

    Agreed

    Yes

    They will probably be done at the same time

    Either way, it only buys them a few days. I might make it 20% or higher. For the first iteration, I might even make it a maximum of 10% of their net worth. Not sure yet. I have to do some math

    32 bit unsigned ints

    Yeah I know where you are going with that. I could calculate the percentage of decrease each time to ensure that all pictures hit their adjusted price at the same time. That might mean 50% for some, and 1% for others. I just have to sit down and figure out the math for that. It's definitely doable though. Computers are good at math
     
  14. HotnessRater

    HotnessRater Administrator Staff Member

    Yeah, I'm not worried about the not for sale too much. Given the fact that they can still set some pictures beyond reasonable reach is okay with me. It might be something I look at eventually, but not in the near future
     
  15. HotnessRater

    HotnessRater Administrator Staff Member

    I have no reason to expect these are connected. They all joined at different times over the years. IP addresses are in different countries. No consistency in e-mail addresses. Having similar numbers of pics and points doesn't really mean anything.
     
  16. HotnessRater

    HotnessRater Administrator Staff Member

    No, of course I'm not going to provide you information on users accounts. I take privacy very seriously. I can tell you about half of the accounts were created before Babetrader even existed. Many of them are people who have uploaded pictures. Some for years. If you want to believe they are connected. That is your right. I see no reason to convince you otherwise.

    Even if they are all connected... I don't really care. Multiple accounts are a lot of work. If someone wants to put in that kind of dedication, that's fine. I don't think it gives them a huge advantage anyway.
     
  17. HotnessRater

    HotnessRater Administrator Staff Member

    And it would take you 2 seconds to figure out who that is with that information
     
  18. HotnessRater

    HotnessRater Administrator Staff Member

    Which is why the current net worth does not include the price of the pictures. I'm not sure that should change
     
  19. HotnessRater

    HotnessRater Administrator Staff Member

    Well no because that is how you make more points... Buy low and sell high. Just don't overpay for a picture or you'll get stuck with it.

    It increases your revenue by hits coming in and gives you the potential to sell it for higher.

    It works great in my opinion... if you don't like it, you don't need to hang around here.


    So make it so they can't be bought? Or don't show them at all on HotnessRater?
     
  20. gtsecond

    gtsecond New Member

    Or just revert to the simple auction.
     

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